Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. TOAA is the creator of the multiverse and everyone and everything in it, including the Beyonders. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. TOAA is above all. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. 7 years ago. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. So with all of that said, I say they tie after the others die. PR Beyonder, TOAA. Saying that Beyonder is stronger than TOAA is literally trying to say that Beyonder is above omnipotence. 2. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. fangirl101. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. Nope. He was initially depicted. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. 13 / 10. 3 K The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). TOAA has no powers. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Stalemate. 1 year ago. Who wins this fight • 10 months. 2,459 485. Neither of. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. ago. Created by Loony_Toony. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. 7 K. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Pre Retcon Beyonder. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The End. 3. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. and he isn't omniscience. Round 1: In character Round 2: Blood lusted. Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. Wiki Points. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. Beyonder would be stomped. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. - Funny thing is they also showed a scan of being Omnipotent. The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was. ago. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. ". 0. Comics . The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. There was a guy that could copy powers that defeated the LT. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. They can literally do whatever they want. Oh boy, Michael wins. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. His. Max Deen. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. 4 years ago. 3. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. @pisswaterball The Beyond Realm is completely separate from Marvel so TOAA has no control. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. Job Burke 4. BTW, even when Beyonder killed Death. 8 years ago. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. This allows him to teleport billions of people, establish telepathic linkages between realities, and even employ it in battle. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. 14 years ago. It hardly even implies that the last frontier is TOAA while basically directly saying that there are beings stronger than TOAA, And when confronted they will say ‘It obviously means rl, Source: Trust me Bro’ when the only reason it could mean that is because it mentions Loki and Beyonder wanting to go to the Real World. Retconed Beyonder. -This version is considered to be Omnipotent. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. He wins. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was the. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. He's the most powerful. Juntai. Battles. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said: Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. LT is basically the will of TOAA, representing the editors and acts only when they have written themselves into a hole. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters hereYamcha vs The One Above All, Madoka Kaname, The Presence and Galactus. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . 0. Reviews: 0. 1. Prepare for. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time. u/nullfather can attest to that. m99. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Follow 1. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. Team 1: The Beyonders. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. Two deities would acknowledge each other and move on. 3080. 8 years ago lettsplay10Doom fucking killed them all and banned the word Beyonder from Marvel Comics and the fact that ban hasn't been kept is disappointing. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". -Everything in bleach. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. HotU Thanos should win based on actual feats. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. Molceule Man is powerful, and I believe he once contained a multiverse in a box, but there is no chance he can beat. Cosmic Ghost Rider vs The-One-Above-All vs The Living Tribunal vs The Beyonder💯/Let's End This DebateULTRA SASUKE ANIME FACT OR CAP SHORTSRound 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them. If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. Boobster. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise. At least, not anymore. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. He is the most powerful creation in all of Marvel, if not fiction. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. bunker_man • 2 mo. PR Beyonder Stomps. Beyonder > Odin> Galactus>Thanos> Onslaught. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Spectre probably. beyonder Yep, lol. • 7 mo. " Like it could be as simple as that if the writer really wanted to. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Beyonder for the curbstomp. Jul 30, 2018. The only. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. Today's TOAA was taken from the Beyonder blueprint, since TOAA is arguably and "supposedly" more powerful than the Presence before he replaced himself with Elaine Belloc, who was not. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. Red Mist vs Galactus. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. Wiki Points. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. on the other hand Lucifer said to be half of the presence power so infinity divide by 2= infinite. Nope. #33 Edited By The_Scourge. Beyonder was later retconned apparently because Tom DeFalco didn't like Jim Shooter and in 1990 and everything that was attributed to god after that was TOAA. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Wiki Points. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. s. Kuuko273. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. He destroyed the Sun sometime in Ardas history. They are god of their own comics. That's the reason because the Choushin suspected all the time that a being higher than them existed. The Living Tribunal is TOAA's right-hand cosmic entity. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. At the very least, it will be a stalemate. He stomps all round. That authority to lt was given by toaa while beyonder didn't get that authority from toaa. They were both supreme powers above the LT. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. 0) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). If by classic beyonder you mean the most powerful version, then its a stalemate. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. But If TOAA existed in Marvel when Pre-Beyonder was created then he isn't omnipotent. The Glory is an infinite-dimensional temporal construct that holds the infinite dimensional multiverse in Doctor Who together. Bugs' power of seduction could also cause significant problems for the Beyonder, as Bugs has. Or Melkor rebelling against eru. #28 ovy7. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. They were both. #12 Edited By Montaq. TOAA mops the floor with these two. CsmicRanker1314 1. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. Scenary: Cell Games Arena (Indestructible) Saibaimen not allowed Both TOAA, Madoka, Presence and Galactus with full power. 3. s. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. Originally there was a purpose behind the Beyonder. @bballaag: No, even pre retcon beyonder cannot defeat The Presence or even TOAA. Never leave. From secret wars there was only one beyonder. 2. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 9 years ago. We help you decide what wheel is right you. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. 10 years ago. 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Beyonder stomps. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. . So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. Beyonder h├¿ was the TOAA at that time if not stronger. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. ago. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. He is just beyond. 5 years ago. Everything that takes place is his dreams. You. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. This means that TOAA is contained in it's creation and creation is contained in TOAA, but TOAA also transcends creation. Glory stomps. PR Beyonder was TOAA for marvels universe before. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. omnipotent means infinite power. 2. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. both teams have omnipotent. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. Marvel had two God's, then changed to One Above. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. The power of the Life Force is a direct powerup from TOAA. Jun 12, 2019 #2. 2. #1 quandaledingle. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. 5 T. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. Beyonder is literally the strongest being in marvel only second to toaa period. Both have absolute 100% control. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. At least, not anymore. This. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. s. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. 493. #28 ovy7. s. Manhattan's league. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. Rorschach vs Dr. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. 14 years ago. Featherine. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Follow 4160. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. @majestic99. Conditions: Everyone except TOAA. 9 years ago. itsirk. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Beyonder = tier 2 being at absolute most. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) vs Beatrice both at 1A who will win´╝ƒ. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. Beyonder 16. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. #1 KingOfAsh. No . There would be no fight. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his. 11 years ago. #1. This could also be used as. I'm talking about the original version, a Tier 0 character. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. The Classic Beyonder. beyonder Yep, lol. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. @Matezoide said: " One Above All celestial = Beyonder kicks his @ss One Above All god = TOAA makes Beyonder cry ". Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. Forum Posts. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. In general as the Supreme Beings. The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. I'll go for the. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. " im sick of Beyonder. This Hulk has all the powers of The One Below All. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Characters like LT, God Spawn, and Michael Demiurgos. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. . Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. However, just like DC, Marvel doesn't get super into the whole infinite universes within infinite universes stuff like Umineko does, so he might end up getting stomped too. This topic is locked from further discussion. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Marvel Cinematic Universe is going crazy day by day. Max Deen. The supreme maker does indeed scale above all possibilities, but i'm not sure that would beat toaa, but if you wank that hyperspace scan TSM has more of a chance against him. Bob, Agent of Hydra vs TOAA. Forum Posts. 1%. Definitely Beyonder. 1. and it's the rules of the. Toba Hulk 7. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. 1. . there are many verse bigger and stronger than marvel like DC. Same goes for Jean's human parents. It is as Cosmic Reign says. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. Forum Posts. 47. Post-Retcon Molecule Man.